what health organizations are sharing in staff calls re: COVID 

hi y’all, i work for a healthcare org in the u.s. and i wanted to share what the current conversation is internally around covid.

the vaccine will not be signaling the end of social distancing. only 1/3rd of americans polled currently say they would get the vaccine, and the FDA is going to pass the first vaccine that hits the 50% effectiveness mark.

these numbers do not indicate that we will be able to “beat” the virus w/ a vaccine.

what health organizations are sharing in staff calls re: COVID 

what this means is in america, which is currently failing even at just wearing masks and social distancing, the virus will continue to spread, and also most likely re-infect and kill, well after the vaccine is introduced.

our chief of medical told us: “if you have put your life on hold for the last six months, i encourage you to find ways to find joy in this time. this is not a pause on normal: this is the new normal.”

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what health organizations are sharing in staff calls re: COVID 

i know that people might have already heard all of this before- but i want y’all to hear it again from someone who’s currently sitting in a staff call with near one hundred health professionals talking about strategy for the next few years. this isn’t temporary. we need to find ways to thrive in these circumstances, because they’re not going to change soon.

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why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

Okay so jumping off from my previous point about how a vaccine for covid (in our current cultural environment in the USA) will not be able to eradicate the disease, let’s talk a little bit about disease ecology and infection diseases, and why vaccines for seasonal/multi-strain illnesses are so important.

⚠️i’m not an immunologist, this is not my speciality, if one of y’all who is wants to add to this go for it⚠️

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why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

so let’s talk about the flu vaccine first, because flu season is upon us and even if you’ve never gotten the flu vaccine before it is FUCKING ESSENTIAL you do so this year.

the flu vaccine is produced every year to counter what immunologists /predict/ will be the most prominent strain of influenza each flu season. (they predict this based on a bunch of fancy science i won’t get into, lmao.)

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why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

the flu vaccine works because enough people get it that every year, the spread of the flu is impaired. if 30% of people able to get the flu vaccine do, then that’s 30% of people that when they come in contact w someone infected, it’s a “dead end” for the virus. it doesn’t spread to that person, and thus doesn’t spread to everyone that person comes in contact with.

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why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

now this is PARTICULARLY important because there are many people who CAN’T get the flu vaccine. people w certain types of organ transplants, people with cancer, or who are otherwise immunocompromised, can’t get the vaccine. so they rely on healthy people getting the vaccine, so that the healthy people don’t spread the disease to them. we know that most healthy people can survive the flu, but immunocomp. folks can’t.

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why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

now let’s talk covid. currently, many very healthy people can survive a covid infection. some people are asymptomatic, which means to the naked eye we can’t even tell they have the virus. this is NOT THE CASE for people with other health conditions. people with diabetes, asthma, or other comorbidities often are SEVERELY impacted by covid, and these folks make up a majority of covid deaths.

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why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

the covid vaccine that will eventually be okayed and made mandatory by local governments will most likely be mandated the same way the flu vaccine is: if you work with vulnerable populations, like children or the elderly, you’ll need to be vaccinated in order to work. which is a great system and works well to stop the spread of illness each yr during flu season! the diff with the covid vaccine is it might not be as effective.

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why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

does that mean the covid vaccine is going to give you covid, or give you horrible side effects: PROBABLY NOT.

most vaccines, even when “rushed” have not historically been worse than the disease they’re vaccinating against. the covid vaccine will not cause a zombie apocalypse or deadly allergies or something. vaccine science is a lot better than that, and there are a lot of safeties in place to prevent that.

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why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

however, because there is going to be an early push for a vaccine ASAP, because the US’s bigwigs can’t comprehend losing out on profit, there is a good chance that first vaccine might not be as effective as we like: meaning some of the people who get it might still be susceptible to getting covid. there are a few reasons for this, but most of them have to do with antibodies.

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why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

we’re still lacking a lot of information about people’s ability to form effective antibody resistance against covid after contracting it. those antibody tests people are taking? effectively worthless right now. we don’t know enough about how our bodies fight off reinfection to know how well the developed vaccines are going to work long term. maybe it’s vaccinate someone short term, or maybe not at all. we just don’t know.

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why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

now, if the vaccine had about a 50% effectiveness, even for as short a period as like 3 months, and everyone who could get the vaccine in america did, and everyone committed to wearing masks, then even with that 50%, we could ABSOLUTELY demolish the virus. with people being cautious, and 1/2 of people being immune, we would absolutely be able to knock this shit out of the park within the 3 months.

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why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

the problem is anti-vaxxers and a shitton of fear-mongering and misinformation. people are NOT willing to wear masks or quarantine, people are NOT confident a vaccine won’t make them grow another head, and the combination of those factors means that the vaccine is NOT going to be able to eliminate the threat of covid in the US. let’s talk numbers.

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why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

on my staff call today, our chief of medical said if 80% of americans got the vaccine, then we would only need a 60% effective vaccine to eliminate covid. and if 60% of americans got the vaccine, we’d need an 80% effective vaccine. you see the relationship there?

now unfortunately the vaccine probably won’t be 80% effective, and we’re sure as hell not polling that 60% of americans are willing to get vaccinated.

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why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

what this is all leading to is my ask for y’all:

you need to get the fucking flu shot this year. it is fucking essential.

we are gearing up for an incredibly dealing flu season, because our hospitals are going to be suffering through simultaneous covid infections and flu season. getting the flu vaccine, and making the flu season a light one, will free up resources to help fight covid.

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why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

not to mention, getting the flu, or complications from the flu, is absolutely a comorbidity and health complication that could lead to a higher chance of death from covid, even in a wildly healthy population.

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why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

we just passed 200,000 deaths from covid. that risk is not going down. nationwide, covid cases are not decreasing. this flu season could be incredibly fucking deadly.

on top of all of this, we’re discovering more and more that covid is not just a respiratory illness- it’s also cardiovascular, and that means long-term mortality for those who even have mild infections.

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why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

if there is ONE thing you do this week to proactively help your community, get the flu shot. there are so many places to get the flu shot for free, and while we don’t have a covid vaccine yet, we do have another extremely safe and extremely helpful vaccine available widely, free of charge, that will also help prevent thousands of deaths.

get your flu shot.

anyway i’ve been encouraged to share my venmo after threads like these for doing labor outside of my work hours, so if you want to drop this queer some coin my venmo is @ juicebat

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why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

@bee I know this isn’t necessarily on topic, but would it be safe to get my hepatitis shot at the same time as my flu shot?

why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

@crookedtricking absolutely! they don’t interact in any negative way. :)

re: why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

@bee Cool! I'm gonna see if I can't get that set up for Friday

Thank you for the information 🙏​

re: why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

@crookedtricking hell yeah! have em set you up with HPV and check your TDAP if you’re not sure if you have those as well. ;)

why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

@bee Do you happen to know anything about allergees? I usually don't take the flu vaccine because I'm allergic to egg-whites. (And they use eggs to create the vaccin.) I get migraines from eating anything with eggs, but I have no idea how or if my body would respond to the flu shot.

why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

@Corina I would recommend asking your dr or calling an advice nurse line to ask them specifically!

why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

@bee getting my flu shot at Publix to get store credit since I have health insurance. CVS also has free shots, but others with health insurance may get them free at their doctor's office.

why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

@bee note that in some countries you should not get the flu shot early, if you aren't at risk because of flu vaccine shortages.

Germany has 25 million doses of flu vaccine and would need 40 million to vaccinate older people and those with health conditions plus essential workers alone.(Source is Robert Koch institute)

Im going to wait to see if any is leftover in a couple of months.

why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

@distel super valid! i’m definitely more pointing this at americans, where we don’t have shortages and reeeeaaaaallly need to not have a bad flu season. :(((

why you should get the flu vaccine and why that relates to covid-19 

@bee yeah it's really important for you over there! I'm grumpy at the authorities in Germany for having secured so little supplies but I'm glad that it is better elsewhere! We're still relatively well off although that might change soon.

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